If someone wants a copy, I have no problem giving them an electronic version of either CoC or ISOCF. Since CP is pretty much shut down, I don't have a problem with sending it to others. Just PM me.
P.S - I also have the audio recordings of both of Ray's books.
i had been studying with the jehovah's witnesses for the last couple years.
they have been interesting study sessions and have learned quite a bit about them and their beliefs.
much of what they teach is what i had learned through personal bible study.. growing up was normal.
I started to read your link and them stopped when you started to lead your reader to agree with your perspective.
Well I'm glad you found an organization that does NOT lead its readers to agree with its perspective...
If you are arguing for a purpose, the purpose of showing how an opposing perspective is wrong, you must lead your reader to agree with your perspective. Ever watched a debate, Change Name?
after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.
they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.
critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.
I think it is getting impossible to deny evolution. But, like Psac, I don't believe that evolution is based on random and directionless processes.
i had been studying with the jehovah's witnesses for the last couple years.
they have been interesting study sessions and have learned quite a bit about them and their beliefs.
much of what they teach is what i had learned through personal bible study.. growing up was normal.
Yeah...reading the response from changed name, it is obvious he is not a study. This is a JW troll. I will be elsewhere.
i had been studying with the jehovah's witnesses for the last couple years.
they have been interesting study sessions and have learned quite a bit about them and their beliefs.
much of what they teach is what i had learned through personal bible study.. growing up was normal.
Most opposers of JWs I know of will close their eyes and not accept the facts... it is sad indeed.
I don't blame you for not understanding the seriousness of them being a NGO. You need to research what the WT has said about the disgusting UN. You need to understand that we were forbidden to have ANYTHING to do with ANY other church or governmental organization. We were FORBIDDEN from even delivering items like Pepsi to military bases.
You also need to know what being a NGO in the United Nations means. It meant that they were to fully support and uphold the UN charter which states that it is the only vehicle that can bring true peace to the earth. This is in direct violation to what the WT teaches about the UN being a disgusting thing standing in a holy place.
Before you come and condemn others that have actual experience in this organization, you need to learn a bit yourself.
However, I have a strong feeling that you may be a current JW that is pretending to be an unbiased outside observer. Of course you won't admit to such a thing. If you really ARE just studying, I hope you will research more. jwfacts.com is an especially helpful site to show what the WT has ACTUALLY said about many issues, and what they say now.
Again, we are not opposers of JWs. We are opposers of the WT and it's man directed authority who claims to have divine guidance by God Himself.
i had been studying with the jehovah's witnesses for the last couple years.
they have been interesting study sessions and have learned quite a bit about them and their beliefs.
much of what they teach is what i had learned through personal bible study.. growing up was normal.
The JWs are normal people doing their best to please Jehovah. The opposers are normal people trying their best to stumble the JWs any way they can.
Most here will have issue with this definition. While I agree that MOST JWs are normal people doing their best to please Jehovah, opposers cannot be classified as people trying to stumble JWs.
Most of us here WERE JWs. WE were stumbled by this abnormal organization made up of normal people. Many of us were molested by leaders in the congregations, and were not protected. In fact, many of our experiences were covered up by the organization so as to not cast a bad light upon it.
Many of us found that we were not told the entire truth about this organization. The history as told by modern day JWs did not match up to its actual history, which can be found by researching the earlier WT articles. We made a decision to serve this organization without knowing the truth behind it.
Most of us here have absolutely NO problem with JWs as people. Most JWs are kind and genuine people. However, they are captives of a concept that this is God's one and only true organization.
Personally I LOVE JWs.
What you need to understand is that you are only studying. There is much that you do not know about this organization. There is much you CAN'T know about this organization until you have been IN it. You have not been IN. You may have attended meetings. But the experience of BEING a JW is FAR different than learning what they want you to learn about it. The constant judgement on the part of the elders. The secrecy. The absolute requirement of rejecting family members that have left the Watchtower. The absoulte insistence that you MUST believe EVERYTHING that the Governing Body (or faithful and discreet slave) tell you. You do NOT have Christian freedom to come to your own conclusions.
I recommend researching the Watchtower organization before you come to your conclusions that all opposers are just trying to stumble honest JWs. They like to use a house on fire illustration, so I will do the same. Are firefighters trying to stumble those that are stuck in a burning building? Or are they trying to HELP them to see that they are in a dangerous situation?
i mean no disrepsect to lars,but i find it real hard to believe that someone really believes there christ..
Londo, I guess I could see that. Watching AJ Miller above, he's much more serious about the issue. Lars' descriptions are more ridiculous, so as to be funny.
I've seen several at Christian bookstores. Try to find a local Christian bookstore, especially one that sells USED books. They'll probably have it.
i mean no disrepsect to lars,but i find it real hard to believe that someone really believes there christ..
Here is a video interview with Jesus himself:
i mean no disrepsect to lars,but i find it real hard to believe that someone really believes there christ..
For a fun site to look through, here is AJ Miller's site. As I stated above, he is an exJW elder who now believes he is Jesus Christ and his wife is Mary Magdalene.
He looks like a somewhat normal fellow. But wow...nut case. Click on the About Us link and read the fun
